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Speak Out 8/28/08Thursday, August 28, 2008
Pro-choice VP candidate MCCAIN WILL have my vote more than ever if he picks a pro-choice candidate. In fact, that's what I have against McCain now is his pro-life stand. I don't know if it's enough to keep me from voting for him but it certainly is a concern of mine. As a 50-year-old woman, I just want a pro-choice president but that won't be the only issue I vote on. Bush did tough job WHAT IS the caller talking about, Armageddon, Bush speeding things up? Ridiculous. If you're going to comment politically, leave the Bible out of it because it really has no place in a serious, political discussion. Russia's been brewing for a long time to assert itself so that's not Bush's fault. North Korea progress has been made. Kim no longer thinks he has to have his nuclear facility. Somewhere the war against terrorism has to be fought and as a sign off I-55 says, "it's better it was fought off American soil." Kudos to President Bush. He had a tough job, he did it and we don't need callers belittling what he has done. I'm glad he was my president when terrorism hit because he was strong enough to say, "this will not be tolerated." Road rage in Jackson I WITNESSED my first road rage in Jackson on Saturday. I was sitting down at 101 waiting to get out on the highway and a lady in a pickup had stopped with her flasher to turn into the 101 and some guy in a beige sport utility vehicle pulled up behind her and he was blowing, laying down on the horn and waving his arms like he had lost it. He just went bananas. Finally the lady got to turn on in, but the guy sitting next to me said, "that must be the soccer pop the way he's carrying on." The guy needs help. Gambling a problem THE CALLER'S all wet that says casino gambling's OK because it's the elderly who do it. Well, if you read Dear Abby from time to time, you know it is a problem and people don't need grandma coming to them for money because she spent it all on gambling. Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because there's bingo and lotto doesn't mean we have to even complicate it further by having casinos. And perhaps it was wrong to have lottos in the first place because it does take money away from legitimate businesses like stores, restaurants, etc. Biden a good choice I AM so pleased that Obama selected Joe Biden as his running mate. I am tired of Bush's ignorance and may I add, the Limbaugh brothers. I want the servicemen to come home. I realize it can't be done tomorrow but I pray very soon. It is so sad that our country has had to put up with what it has the past eight years. I have lived to see the late President Roosevelt in office who was great along with Kennedy, Truman and Clinton. I met Nixon and his wife, Pat, and was not impressed with him. I was very much disappointed that Robert Kennedy never had a chance to serve as president. He would have definitely changed the United States. Please vote Democrat when you go to the polls. I want the best for my grandchildren and great-grandchildren and everyone else's. A slap to Hillary BARACK OBAMA said that in selecting a vice presidential running mate, he wanted someone that would challenge his own thinking. Since Hillary was doing exactly that throughout the primary and almost half of the Democratic voters supported her, then is it not a slap in the face to her and her supporters by selecting anyone else? Raise the drinking age RAISING THE legal drinking age to 25 is a fantastic idea. Alcohol being a mind altering substance that destroys brain cells, waiting until the brain is fully developed couldn't hurt. Bus suggestion There is a handicapped student who lives on William Street, on a corner. The bus stops and it blocks traffic on William Street at about 8:20 every morning when people are trying to get to work, right there on the corner. All the bus driver has to do is turn the corner and pick the student up on the side street which is actually where the driveway and the walk comes out. Instead, the parent pushes down the driveway, up to the corner and around to the bus and the traffic is blocked. This needs to be fixed. Bus, turn the corner, pick them up at the driveway on the side street. Thank you. SEMO Fair overcharging ACCORDING TO Tipoff magazine, there are several events with free admission and free parking such as the annual Popeye picnic, East Perry Fair, Bollinger County Harvest Days, Jackson Homecomers, and Big Oak State Park Living History Days. However, SEMO District Fair is another story. Admission fee of $4 for adults and children over 12 is ridiculous. The free attractions listed on the back of the pamphlet are free if you have to pay $4 to get into fairground. Mayor Knudtson, city officials and fair board apparently have no clue or, better yet, do not care about our failing economy. I'm sure eats, drinks, games, etc., are higher this year also. The average family cannot afford these prices. It's about time Cape Girardeau takes a lesson from other communities and drops admission and parking charges. Have heart and you may find more fun for the family with less financial burden. Permit not right I DON'T think it's right of Springfield, Mo., to make you get a permit to give away a puppy. It just seems like only businesses get to get ahead and you can no longer help your fellow man by giving them a free puppy or kitten because there's always someone got their hand out wanting to make a profit off you whether it's the local government making you get a permit or the business industry. Dog returns home I WANT to say thank you to the guy that found our dog up here at the Hanover Lutheran Church and took him to the Humane Society on Aug. 25. I picked him up, brought him home, and the children surely do appreciate it. Thank you again. Doesn't cost a penny I KEEP seeing these people on TV, part of their ad is, this didn't cost me a penny. It cost somebody. They don't care if somebody else paid for their stuff, they just want it free. Does that make things great? Somebody has to pay. Following the party line WAY TOO many people are falling for the Republican Party line of blaming the Democrats for high gas prices because they won't allow offshore drilling. That's garbage. Oil companies already have leases for land that they could be drilling on right now; they just won't. What about seniors? HAS ANYONE out there heard either of the candidates for president say anything about the senior citizens? If you have, please call Speak Out. I haven't. Campaign or advertising? AS I read about Rock Finch deciding to run for county commissioner as an independent, I got down through the article and it sounds to me like he's running an advertising campaign for his insurance consulting company. I'd have to think twice before I'd vote for this guy. Use your ashtray I JUST wanted to thank the lady who threw the cigarette out into my driveway as she drove by on 72 in the long line of construction. I really appreciate that. Next time, there is an ashtray in your car. Use it instead of using my driveway as my ashtray. People need to learn some consideration for other people's property. Another lane needed I JUST have a question for MoDOT. At the Cape Girardeau-Jackson exit, if you're going northbound and you get off at that exit, there's two lanes to get into. If you're going southbound, there's only one lane. Why is that? I mean, there's just as much traffic going either way. I think if you're coming from Perryville down to Cape Girardeau and get off at that exit, they should have that a little wider and have two lanes there. Disrespect to Hillary? HILLARY CLINTON has been a Democrat her entire life and loves the party and believes in it. Her supporters who say they will vote for McCain are stabbing her in the back and shooting themselves in the foot. Gas prices I WAS wondering, can someone explain to me why gasoline is $3.33 a gallon in Perryville and $3.29 a gallon in Festus? My best guess is, there's a little bit of the Cape Girardeau County price gouging going on. Someone needs to look into this. An insult to gamblers WHY WOULD a Speak Out caller think a casino in Cape Girardeau would bring in more drunken drivers and thieves? Does that person think only drunks and thieves go to casinos? I am insulted. That is so ridiculous. Tired of tax increases IT MAKES me sick that Cape School District is going to raise our property taxes again. The school district fails year after year regarding No Child Left Behind. What really makes me sick is paying over $41,000 for a sound system at the junior high. Why not take the proceeds for the musicals there to pay for the sound system and use the $41,000 for better teaching? Texting during funeral I WENT to a funeral in Cape Girardeau this week and the man across the aisle from me was text messaging all during the service at the church. I guess there isn't even any respect to the dead when it comes to cell phones and text messaging. I think this was very, very tacky. Excited about fair WELL, IT'S hard to believe that the SEMO District Fair is just right around the corner. I get excited thinking about the draft car shows and classes coming up. I'm sure that as usual our local exhibiters, the Mangels family of Oak Ridge will do well in this tough competition with their outstanding showmanship and expert riding. But it's classes. If you want to share in this excitement, come and watch the show and arrive early if you want a good view of the events. Absolute horror YOU WANT a Cold War movie that will scare the living tar out of you, get on YouTube and type in "threads" or the "war game," and watch either one of those. Absolute horror. Comments  The nature of the Internet makes it impractical for our staff to review every comment. If you feel that a comment is offensive, use the exclamation point icon beside the comment to send a report to the webmaster.
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Did Purcell write "Campaign or advertising?"? If not, then my question is: Really? Have you met Rock Finch? If not, you are extremely ignorant. Get a clue and do your homework. Don't write about Rock Finch again until you do your research.
"She admits that she used marijuana when it was legal in Alaska, but says that she did not like it."
Sound familiar? The infamous words of Sarah Palin
Babe, IF McCain picks a female VP it will be PRO-ABORTIONIST Kay Bailey Hutchison.
Meanwhile, don't get your hopes up, CNN has just annouced that McCain has postponed his VP announcement. LOL
Sarah Palin isn't even on the list BABE. LOL
Doc
Sarah Palin is strongly pro-life.
Doesn't Michelle remind you of Rhoup Hall? Just a rude observation.
KCPO, You're right. We are all patriots.
just finished watching Obama's speech and I ask where is the 'there, there?' Even his audience was unenthused. He is an empty suit as we have known all along.
One thing he will regret in his flat speech is asking why McCain did not follow Bin Laden into a cave.
-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 10:02 pm CDT
Such a Bitter Pathetic (aka...whining) comment. Just like John McCain, you JUST DON'T KNOW. LOL Clueless. Is it an age thing with you? LOL
Sleep tight Republicons. You've had to much cheese and WHINE tonight. LOL
I believe that McCain will choose a woman as his vp tomorrow.
-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 10:54 pm CDT
And if he does, she'll be a PRO-Abortionist! Check her record.
Bob
Love to have the same care as Congress. Gimme Ted <hick> Kennedy's Doc anyday! A dude who can mix Chemo and Scotch is a stud in my book.
I'm getting scr*ewed by my General Practitioner that I've been paying and paying and paying on.
Tell you what Bob, I'll quit my job if you quit yours. We can BOTH start living off the T*T (breast) of Big Brotha.
Think of it. I can start that book I always wanted about the rights of pedophiles. ACLU will pay me a grant for it. All I need are Practical Exercises. Maybe Rhode Island. They let Sexual Deviants out early. Goldmine!
And you, can make a movie where your buddies Ben and Matt can one up Brokeback Mountian! And have George Clueless taking one for the team. I smell Oscar.
B Hussain! I'VE SEEN THE LIGHT! HOLLA!!!!
Who am I kidding, I'm going to Canada.
I believe that McCain will choose a woman as his vp tomorrow.
Muttie,
Guten Abend. Würde lieben, Mittagessen morgen mit Ihnen zu tun.
Just checking to see if Missourian is letting me post, which they seem to do every couple of days--once or twice maybe. And was checking to see if there are lunch plans for tomorrow. Sorry, personal stuff, huh...unlike so many other comments? ~grinning~
Wierd comments lately anyway...No, I take that back. Depending on who's on a roll or in a snit, it's mostly pretty much the same stuff, from the same posters.
Do want to say, Me'Lange...quite a few people DO change their minds about who they'll vote for, as well as many other things, as they learn more facts (or think they do?) or mature, or whatever. It's why I think the phrase 'flip-flopping' is actually a rather dumb way of trying to put someone down...when basically it might just be attributed to people changing their minds as they become more educated. Know what I mean?
Bob
Were you seriously expecting Obama to tell you how we can pay for all the goodies he proposes? giggle
fajar
Don't forget that we can get the same health care as congress and the senate has!! HOW will he pull that one off??
I just finished watching Obama's speech and I ask where is the 'there, there?' Even his audience was unenthused. He is an empty suit as we have known all along.
One thing he will regret in his flat speech is asking why McCain did not follow Bin Laden into a cave.
Got a little deep after B Hussain starting withing the rant about
Home Foreclosers: spending outside your means.
Devalued House: all homes want to make money on them, but there are just too many out in the market now.
Paying for College: join the Army. GI Bill worked for me. Quit thinking that the tax payer wants to pay for you to learn how to tap a keg.
Credit Card Debit: DA! Spending outside your means. So I have to bail you out because you NEEDED that flat screen?
Taxes: doesn't Congress cover that? So doesn't Congress cover Bush's hated tax cuts? Who's in charge of Congress?
Isn't it ironic how some made fun of Bush for being a cokehead at one time, yet now support one?
-- Posted by Liberal_Regurgitators on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 8:41 pm CDT
I don't know if that is true, But I do know that he is a huge RACIST!! Just ask his partner in crime Rev. Wright.
Ok, last for the night I promise....
fajar,
I was hoping to find a site that didn't require you to pay, but I'm gathering that is standard practice to get on donor list. Glad I could help.
Beyond the tweeking of Theorist, I do hope that you can, through the process, truely help someone. My nephew had Luekemia, but luckily didn't have to have a marrow transplant. Diagnosed when he was 2, now 6 and enjoying life and his remission. Many are not as lucky and your willingness to add your name to the list of donors is truely appreciated. (please forgive typos)
Ok...out for the night. Hope all of you have a great Labor Day weekend. Be safe, and don't drink and drive.
Just more crap from another loser who believes anything that comes through his inbox. Do us all a favor bob, if you want to be a bonehead and think that Sen. Glenn actually sat down and wrote that nonsense go ahead, but don't reproduce the lie for everyone else.
-- Posted by FriendO on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 8:55 am CDT
FriendO:
It don’t matter who said it it’s all true you big dummy! Now quit with the name calling, You don't know me! What makes you think your so much better than anyone? Believe me your not!!
Who are you blaming?
-- Posted by Theorist on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 8:47 am CDT
No Blame Just passing a Message!
To Silent Bob-
Thanks! But the hard core dim-wits will either quit reading half way down or fall back on their conspiracy theories.
Only two forces have ever offered to die for you: Jesus Christ died for your soul, The American Soldier died for your Freedom.
-- Posted by hotshot202 on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 7:25 am CDT
Thank you Sir, We should have coffee sometime, I like your candor! Silent_bob58@live.com
Does that include Iraqi's or are they not considered combat related killings?
Posted by SWBG on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 8:31 am CDT
NO
You people, please keep your posts to less than 20 pages,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,no more ranting, if its a long post,,,I skip the whole frigging thing.
-- Posted by dexterite on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 10:10 am CDT
Who Cares You aren’t Important!
PUPS
Just signed up on the registry. Thank you for the info. Had to pay $52 for a tissue sample at a later date. Yep, I'm a cheap a$$!
Theorist
Care to join? Or do you prefer to act as a seudo compassionate intellagencia? Being an armchair "Man of the people." Well, lets go save a life and donate some portion of yourself besides the time wasted bantering and bickering back and forth. Oh, by the by. I heard it hurts real bad...so your out huh! Heading down to the Veteran's Home this weekend. There are three vets who love to triple team me in hearts. But I can still drink an entire beer without going to the bathroom. Life's little victories.
Dude (the Messiah), are you smoking crack again? You're NOT running against Bush. Besides the Congress, that YOU are a part of, are thought of even less than the President. So what does that say about you?
Isn't it ironic how some made fun of Bush for being a cokehead at one time, yet now support one?
LP,
Kind of figured out what you meant even with the *'s.
Babe,
Nope, as I am at work.
I will be watching a Man give a speech when I get home.
Out for the night, because I choose not to start a political debate this evening.
Whoaaaa, I think I just saw the Three White (definitely not wise) Men bearing gifts of coke, weed, and Colt45 Malt Liquor to the Messiah.
Wooowwww...was that 'The Boss' I saw kissing The Messiah's a-s-s?
Just an observation, kind of tired of hearing "take back America"; didn't know it belonged to the Democrats. I did not know Democrat rule was the natural order of things and that Republicans in office was somehow contrary and an aberration.
Not watching on TV. I'm looking out my window and to the West in hopes of seeing the Star of David appear over the horizon, just above Denver.
Ok...instead of ******, how about Hoo Ha?
(by the way, that wasn't a four letter word, it was something a chicken has on it's face and pecks corn with)
Thanks Pups.
I just hope to God, for his supporters I'm talking about the God we learned about in Sunday school and not Obama, that IF (and that's a BIG if) he's elected he doesn't treat the Whitehouse as a bed and breakfast available to the highest bidder like our last Democrat president was so fond of doing.
Oh yea, and keep his ****** in his pants. Baby put your blue dress on! :-)
Hi Pups
Are you watching the sky cam of the arena where the messiah will deliver his speech?
LP,
Nice of you to admit that the author also riped McCain also. Very diplomatic of you. Not razzing, actually a compliment.
Though did notice you didn't post it with the Obama one. (now that was meant as a raz and a joke)
Algore is speaking now and complaining about the race he almost won. Dang that electoral college. giggle
Obama taking donations from foreign donors. I can see the vacancy light blinking on the Lincoln Bedroom now.....
http://tsfiles.wordpress.com/...
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http://www.capmag.com/...
Excerpt from above article which is a 3-part series on Obama. (There is also a 3-part series on McCain in which this guy rips him, too):
"It is important to remember that while Obama has "repudiated" them in nationally broadcast public ablutions, they have not repudiated him. Neither Rev. Jeremiah Wright nor Father Michael Pfleger has publicly cursed Obama for calling their ranting sermons "disgusting," nor has any black or white liberal supporter of Obama upbraided him for discarding the racist, rabble-rousing clerics. This fact seems to have eluded his supporters and the news media, who are giddily eager to absolve him of any wrong-doing, misconduct, or having had a less than sterling past and political career. It is another form of Kennedy or Clinton idolization, one that sweeps all evidence of scandal, criminal behavior, and malfeasance beneath an impenetrable rug of irrelevancy. He makes us feel good, so never mind his "missteps."
"The parallels of his rise in politics and that of Hitler's in Germany are too eerie in their particulars to ignore. To be sure, Obama's rise has been, in terms of violence, betrayal, and criminal skullduggery, entirely blameless. Never mind his early career as a "community" advocate, activist, and ward-heeler in Chicago and his somewhat lackluster but leftist record in the Illinois legislature and the U.S Senate. Obama himself is a man of no convictions, and a man of no convictions, as a consummate second-hander, will adopt the "greatest good for the greatest number" as his moral compass, whether or not he is running for office.
A man with no sense of self-identity will become what others wish him to be, or what he believes others wish him to be. The empty vessel will naturally gravitate to crowds to be filled to the brim with their hopes, dreams, wishes, sores and frustrations. Only then will he feel complete. He will become their servant, their icon, to be placed on an altar to be worshipped and prayed to in self-effacing idolatry.
So it is with Obama. It helps to explain why so many Americans are excited by him, and why he exudes a confidence not evident in any of the other candidates. His admirers cannot be excited by him because of his ideas; he has not expressed anything as solid as an idea (and clichés, bromides and populist tripe are not ideas), and his confidence grows as the number of his admirers and supporters grows.
Obama has not deliberately posed as a miracle-working Messiah who promises to cure all ills for all complainants; that is how his supporters and most of the news media view him, but he is willing to meet them halfway. And his race, fundamentally, is immaterial, regardless of what importance others attach to it. Virtually every other candidate has mouthed the same bromides, clichés, and populist tripe as Obama. Why they have worked for Obama and not much for anyone else (especially not for Hillary Clinton, whose sincerity is transparently phony and calculating) can be ascribed to his "charisma," his public speaking skills, and the apparent sincerity of the "feelings" behind his words. "
Feelings. This is the key to understanding Obama's appeal. Ian Kershaw, noted biographer and professor at the University of Sheffield, wrote a two-volume biography of Hitler that is distinguished from other such biographies in that it not only dissects Hitler, but the German culture that made him possible, and indicts both. It is the only non-Objectivist biography of Hitler that comes near to Dr. Leonard Peikoff's The Ominous Parallels: The End of Freedom in America (1982) by offering a philosophical explanation for the Nazi phenomenon (it stops just short of reaching the same conclusions). Kershaw, in Hitler, 1889-1936: Hubris (1998), makes a number of important observations about how and why Hitler was able to succeed, first in rising through the tumultuous politics of the 1920's, then in seizing power with the approval of the political establishment and the electorate.
"It was as a propagandist, not as an ideologue with a unique or special set of political ideas, that Hitler made his mark in these early years. There was nothing new, different, original, or distinctive about the ideas he was peddling in the Munich beerhalls. They were common currency among the various völkisch groups and sects and had already been advanced in all their essentials by the pre-war Pan-Germans. What Hitler did was to advertise unoriginal ideas in an original way. Others could say the same thing but make no impact at all. It was less what he said, than how he said it that counted." ("The Beerhall Agitator," p. 133.)
Wow!Just read all of todays post!Mostly politics of course!A few off subjects but for the most part politics and one liners!I have one but its not political in nature rather directed toward The "Doctor"
It goes like this,"with you Doc,today is indeed only yesterdays tomorrow"!Why not realize that one of those
"demopublicans" will be our next President and either way nothing will change!So,when it comes down to it
the next 4 years will be filled with "yesterdays tomorrows" as well as promises not kept!The Government and military industrial complex is in control and the war machine is indeed, turning!
Pups,
Got to agree with you on that, been married forty. Have a good night.
ooops talk should have been talked.
Out again. Everyone have a great night!!! Would say behave, but what fun would that be???
Interesting non hateing, non political, non statistically proven comment....
Just talk to a gentleman who has been married for 51 years and the mention of his wife's name still makes him smile.
Now that is a reason to live!!!
I agree it sets a very bad precedent. I don't think it will have an impact on recruitment, but I believe it may very well result in a less aggressive prosecution of the mission which "may" have a very negative impact on our combat effectiveness. The young men and women of our military are already getting the short end of the stick and they may well take this in stride. Of course this is just my opinion as I have no military experience.
I'm out, already posted more than I intended.
I know about the case and while it was a good outcome, it sets up a bad presedence for others that might follow. It should have been thrown out and never gone to trial. You might just as well kiss your voluntary military goodbye.
Babe,
No, he was acquitted according to the article. I am not familiar enough with the case to know why it was not handled by the military. This is the first time someone was tried by a civilian jury for actions taken while in the military. I am sure notsureitsafeinhere knows far more than I.
doctor,
Thanks, not sure it is deserved, heck I might even be a "Republican Extremist" myself. I don't know about "bickering", but debate is healthy as it shows people really care. No matter which side of the spectrum you are on it is a good thing that you ave strongly held opinions. Give me strong beliefs over apathy and withdrawal anytime.
notsureitssafeinhere,
Both my sons are ex military. I do not believe civilians or even military without combat experience can make good judgments on what happens in the "fog of war". I know from experience that any violent encounter alters memories and perceptions. I can only imagine what real combat is like.
Doc
Your struggles may soon be over. giggle
-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 5:38 pm CDT
Making Threats Babe?? Talking in riddles again instead of having the gumption to say what you really mean??
Doc
Your struggles may soon be over. giggle
KCPO
Are you saying that the judge threw it out?
KCPO, you're not out-classed. The fact is, you have more sense than most of us. (including myself). Whether some would agree or not, the bickering on here is just an example of how crucial this election is. I may get banned 10,000 times, but I refuse to let the forum be overan by Republicon Extremists. No doubt, there is a power struggle going on here.
notsureitsafeinhere,
That is good news, he should never have been tried in a civilian court for actions while he was in the military, it should have been taken care of by UCMJ prior to his release.
I wish the politicians who denounced him as a murderer had the character to apologize.
NEIL CAVUTO: ... Senator -- after a conflict means after the conflict, and many argue the conflict isn't over.
JOHN MCCAIN: Well, then why was there a banner that said 'mission accomplished' on the aircraft carrier? ... the conflict -- the major conflict is over, the regime change has been accomplished.”
-June 11, 2003, on Fox News's Your World With Neil Cavuto.
Babe,
Please play this video of John McCain ACKNOWLEDGING Mission Accomplished!!!
http://news.aol.com/...
Me'Lange,
I meant maybe I need to do some research not you as I really had nothing to back my opinion up, just vague recollections. I use to enjoy research, but now unless it is on something I intend to buy it has become a chore. I guess I have done too much of it. I am outclassed by most on here and it would take too much effort to keep up, so I don't post too much on here.
*thunk*
Doc
You just cannot seem to get it right, can you? "Mission Accomplished" was the banner on the ship who had done just that and was being deployed home. President Bush spoke from the deck but the banner had nothing to do with his WOT. If you have truly listened to him, he has said repeatedly that it would not be over for decades.
KCPO,
Honestly, you and SWBG could be right. My poll comment was just MY opinion based on my observations and experiences up to this point in my life... that's all.
...I know some posters think a formalized debate with citations are necessary for every comment in the SpeakOut forum, but I'm not (usually) one of them. Will note, if a poster states an off-the-wall comment, as a "fact"...I might ask for a citation (usually after I've attempted to gain info and failed at googling). More or less, I do so to settle my own curiousity.
Me'Lange,
I am not as into all of this area as you, but I seem to remember the polls showing Bush behind during the last two elections; maybe need to do some research. I will remain dubious of the validity of polls as predictors of anything.
http://www.obamaformessiah.com/
Liberal Pukes,
You're wrong. The Star of David will be making it's appearance with McCain tomorrow.
I read in the news today that the Star of David is to appear over Denver tonight, and that Jesus will be making an appearance.
suelynn, kidding no. Joking yes. After all. JUST O is a joke. A bad one. LOL
I'll be at BBW if anyone cares to debate this further. Later!
I concede, Cousin Carl is right. You can't fight stupid. Meanwhile, I'm going to enjoy the rest of the day basking in the glory of victory. A lot of Lieberman's in this room. LOL
Go pet your goat
That was two funnies today. See opinion you can be funny and sarcastic without being mean. I really did get a chuckle from that.
Doc, step away from the computer...O is just jerking your chain. LOL and kidding
Doc - That's terribly weak, and again with that polling data that you said you didn't care about. Go pet your goat.
90% of Americans are more worried about the economy, than the war on Terror!! 90% Give US Economy Poor Rating... 56% Want Out Of Iraq
Me'Lange - Good point on the opinions. You're coming around!
Main Entry: opin·ion
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈpin-yən\
Function: noun
- belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge
- a generally held view
- a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert
I'm fond of the last bullet.
btw...are you the same person that posts as shortwhitebaldguy?
yes I am. When the paper changed to this current forum I had difficulty signing in on my original perona shortwhitebaldguy so I had to use another e-mail address to create SWBG. Once at home I had to log back in for some reason and used the other e-mail and the old persona came up. I just have not bothered to change it. The uncle fester persona tends to be a little more irritable after a long day of work and not nearly as diplomatic.
opinion,
I understand where you are coming from. Our chief concern in the middle east is purely economic. It is imperative that we preserve our way of life and the oil is basic to our country. With that factor removed we would be outta there.
The_Doctor,
Gots to side with Mr. Opinionated (I liked that one) in the side debate. Like SWBG stated, as time passes... public opinion IS quite fickle! After 9/11 and up to and during the first year of the Iraq War, the overwhelming majority of public opinion not only supported the war on terrorism, it was in the fore-front of their minds.
I'm on a roll...here is another one-liner...
o·pin·ion·at·ed
–adjective
obstinate or conceited with regard to the merit of one's own opinions; conceitedly dogmatic.
Doc - Again, give me something on the 90% doesn't agree with the war on terror. Again, if you have some data, I'd love to see it because I love to learn. Doc, you're letting your emotions get the best of you. I've countered your posts with facts and given you some of my peronal philosophy. As I told Me'Lange yesterday ... you can ignore it or absorb it.
ME'LANGE WROTE (in reference to "I believe we removed someone who taunted") "...if only other posters could use such a tactical strategy in a public forum. (How was that for a one-liner?)"
It's paraphrased from the bipartisan use of force legislation. Wow, you are struggling.
Just_Me_and_My_Opinion you're debating skills are deteriorating drastically. Now you've changed this to a debate of semantics. I refuse to engage stupid any longer.
We were talking Presidential polls! Not public opinion!
90% of this country puts the War on Terror on the bottom of the list of NEEDS. Not disagree with it! There are MORE CRUCIAL things at hand to deal with...DUH like our economy. Can't fight ANY wars if the Country is completely broke!
"I believe we removed someone who taunted"
...if only other posters could use such a tactical strategy in a public forum. (How was that for a one-liner?)
:-)~
Let's be honest, the only folks waivering on their decision is the "supposed" disenfranchised Clinton voters, and the disenfranchise Conservatives that still support Romney. Those folks are the ones waivering.
My mind has been made up for quite some time now....lol...2004. LOL~! As long as the Presidential candidate has a D behind his or her name, I'm voting for them!
90% of the country disagrees with ethe war on terror? Really. Provide me a link because I haven't seen that data.
Again, you discount polls and then use them. Very hypocritical. I, however, will accpet the polling data whether it meets my ideological criteria or not.
The US's strategic goals are not MY goals - they are my Country's goals. If you're looking for my beliefs, I've listed some of them in relation to Iraq in the post to Bald Dude.
I think one of my major problems is the use of this word "Terrorist" a faceless enemy. It's time to define the enemy and make a plan. The surge came too little too late. And if you think we're going to get that Iraq oil, it's wishful thinking. We've had "moderate" control of that Country since "Mission Accomplished" we should have been taking oil since that time. Meanwhile, Iraq is making money, and we're spending it.
SWBG...
Won't dispute your point and even noted that the passage of time is a factor, ie "it takes a great deal of contrary information (and/or time) to change one's mind".
With regard to..."One year ago..."...a couple of points. 1. In fainess, factors/variables/options/choices (whatever you want to call them) have changed, become well-defined with the passage of time. 2. Time has passed now and election day is much less than a year away.
IMO...A good chunck of the folks know who they are voting for by now. (AND at this point, it will be difficult to change that group's mind. Citation: poster's views in this forum.)
Bald Dude - There's a huge difference between MY opinion and our US strategic goals. I can explain our strategic goals as they are clearly stated in our National Defense Policy. I was asked about our strategic goals in the region, and provided some relavant facts to that question.
As for me ... What do I think? I'm glad we're there (and I've served for more than 2.5 years). I believe it supports our goals in the region by providing a future base for RSOI for troops who may need to be sent into Iran. I believe it makes it much easier to funnel troops in and out of Afghanistan (and the area). I believe our SPEC OPS folks need the area to operate in, train and study tactics. I believe that we will see an energy solution that wll be aided by Iraqi oil. I believe that we have a battlefield on which we can kill an enemy who doesn't wear a standard uniform, but that will gladly face us there. I believe we removed someone who taunted the US. I believe we have depleted AQ's real resources by forcing their hand. I believe the surge was a fantastic tactic.
Ok JUST,
I'm going to turn this around on you for a bit.
Now..87% of the Country believes GWB is the worst President in the history of political science. That being said, What...would you like to see accomplished "overall" in the next four years? What concerns do YOU have that you believe should be address? WHAT is the most concerning factor that MUST be addressed immediately?
BTW...If it's the WAR ON TERRORISM, don't even bother. 90% of the Country disagrees with you on that.
.........º¿º
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"Our presence in Iraq has everything to do with our strategic goals for the region. It has little to do with terror and more to do with oil. Our nations primary goal should be to establish an effective, cohesive, and efficient energy policy to rid ourselves of foreign oil dependence. This is how to end the WOT. Surely you do not think we liberated Iraq because Saddam was a bad guy. There are bad guys all over Africa and other parts of the world that do not threaten our vital interest of dependence on oil."
SWBG, This I "DO" agree with!
btw...are you the same person that posts as shortwhitebaldguy?
our strategy is to end tyranny: Saddam is dead.
promote effective democracies: Is this really "OUR" call? Have we promoted an effective democracy in China and Saudi Arabia yet?
confront challenges: What challenges?
defeat a violent extremist ideology: Defeat an idea?? You need to watch V for Vendetta my friend.
Confront the rising military power of other states: China?
But the interesting point is...none of this really applies to Iraq any longer. Terrorists ARE NOT based out of Iraq. If they "still" ARE after several years and trillions of dollars later, then why did Bush say, "Mission Accomplished?"
Doc - I never called you a liar. Continue your hypcocrisy.
Theorist - I comprehended and merely extended the point you made,a nd then asked a question. Sorry to confuse you.
KCPO I believe is correct regarding polls. I believe the polls to be a reasonable reflection of today. One year ago likely the two running for president was Clinotn and Gulliani according to the polls so things can definitely change.
Opinion,
Our presence in Iraq has everything to do with our strategic goals for the region. It has little to do with terror and more to do with oil. Our nations primary goal should be to establish an effective, cohesive, and efficient energy policy to rid ourselves of foreign oil dependence. This is how to end the WOT. Surely you do not think we liberated Iraq because Saddam was a bad guy. There are bad guys all over Africa and other parts of the world that do not threaten our vital interest of dependence on oil.
Doc -
Here's our Country's strategic policy: http://www.defenselink.mil/...
I can explain it in detail, but I don't want to get reprimanded for making a long point. Basically, our strategy is to end tyranny, promote effective democracies, confront challenges, defeat a violent extremist ideology, and confront the rising military power of other states.
Now, take a map, look at Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Germany, Japan, South Korea, etc (i.e all the places we have troops) in relation to our strategic threats.
And again, go back and look at the bi-partisan use of force legislation. Iraq was about more than WMD, but some folks love the one-liners and WMD was easy to spell.
I couldn't tell you with any degree of certainty that Saddam's Iraq was or was not involved in 9-11. I can tell you that we're killing a lot of bad guys (and unfortunately, some good guys and gals) in Iraq. We have a battlefield on which they're willing to fight us. Bring it on.
Does that answer your questions?
..if ya don't use a fake name the boogie man will come
get ya ..
??
The_Doctor
..if ya don't use a fake name the boogie man will come
get ya ..
Oh babe, you weren't reinstated. Good Grief, you do like to fabricate things don't you.
"the thing with numbers and stats and data and
crap is they can be turned all around to look however
a person wants them to look ... they're meaningless
in a debate.."
Complete agree. Why should I or anyone else invest in pages and pages of (non-cut paste) posts when the otherside will refute the facts anyway?? Heck, I posted Gallup poll numbers from the Gallup poll website last night. and Just My Opinion still tried to call me a liar initially.
Any more questions?
-- Posted by BABE on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 3:05 pm CDT
Yeah...so if you were banned, why did you feel compelled to come back? Additionally, since you have been banned yourself, and still came back...why give flack to others that do the same? Kind of the pot calling the kettle black, if you ask me.
....the thing with numbers and stats and data and
crap is they can be turned all around to look however
a person wants them to look ... they're meaningless
in a debate..
Opinionated
So are you advocating that it's OK for caucasion males to not vote for someone different (i.e. a women or a black man) simply because they have a different background, they'd have a hard time associating with the white man, they don't share similar experiences, etc?
-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 2:09 pm CDT
See what I mean about comprehension.....I said you might want to rethink your vote since she is not from here, she has NO REAL INTEREST in this community, area etc. It is hard to REPRESENT someone if you don't really understand! READ
JUST PLAIN STUPID,
It's not about a goat idiot. Yep...you're definately a hometown newbie...aren't you.
Doc
I was banned once because of a barrage of complaints from those who use multiple idenities. I was reinstated under my same name. The other two name changes occurred during the paper's difficulties signing on. But I always chose a name that was almost the same as my origional as not to confuse folks.
Any more questions?
And since you are dodge my questions by bringing up something irrelevant to the topic you introduced, I'll repost again.
JUST,
Please define for me what our strategic goals in that region are?? Aside from Mission accomplished. Are you telling me that the entire plan for September 11th was orchestrated in Iraq?? Percentage wise, how many of the terrorists were from Iraq? Can you answer that?
-- Posted by The_Doctor on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 2:49 pm CDT
How is my stance on Iraq have anything to do with DC? Additionally, since you know nothing of DC. It is a town of transients very few people that live in DC ARE actually from DC. We are talking Apples and Oranges here my friend. My stance on IRAQ has nothing to do with CHANGING DC hometown nostalgia.
Doc - So you're an "outsider" (living in DC on 9-11). Accordingly, and by your own logic, you have nothing to add in this SEMO forum much like the dreaded person who took your goat away from you.
Me'Lange - I thought you were still hiding - ur, I mean working on your deadline. Any new economic areas of interest?
JUST,
Please define for me what our strategic goals in that region are?? Aside from Mission accomplished. Are you telling me that the entire plan for September 11th was orchestrated in Iraq?? Percentage wise, how many of the terrorists were from Iraq? Can you answer that?
BABE,
And how many times have you been resurrected from the banishment? I know of at least twice!
"Sorry, another long post..."-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 10:31 am ~To be followed by...a book?-- Posted by Just_Me_and_My_Opinion on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 1:58 pm
Guess Just me's apology wasn't all that sincere, eh?
KCPO,
I must disagree about Gallup polls. It is obvious that most have their mind made up already (which I suspect is the case in many elections).
I relate one's Presidential election choice to first impressions. Once first impressions are formed, it takes a great deal of contrary information (and/or time) to change one's mind.
JUST,
Please re-read this portion of said post:
"Just,
I still discount the polls."
-- Posted by The_Doctor on Thu, Aug 28, 2008, 2:20 pm CDT
Stop playing the fool here. You started this with the polls, not me. I could really care less about them. They have been habitually inaccurate during this entire malay. Again, I could careless about them. But...if you want to continue to quote them, then I'll certainly oblige you.
Doc
Everyone knows your political stances even though you have reincarnated yourself with multiple nicknames. giggle
Theorist,
You have probably mentioned one of the most important subjects. Yes, what has Jo Anne done for Missourians since her appointment in 1996? I mean REALLY done. (excluding the 10 year bridge project that Memorializes her husband.)
12 years of service, what a waste. I think the biggest thing she has accomplished was passing a bill for a commemorative coin. Yeah...that really helped a lot of folks. Can she save the Delta Queen??
Doc - Do you honestly believe that our presence in Iraq has nothing to do with our strategic goals in that region? Please explain and then we'll debate it.
Doc - I do believe the consortium polls are an accurate representation of the entire demographic today. I never disputed that point. You, however, did dispute it over and over and over. Now, in a frightening display of hypocrisy, you're all for the polls. BO is up today, McCain was up 48 hours ago ... it's all accurate and I don't believe I've discounted the data.
If polls mean anything, which I seriously doubt, it is only for the day taken and only indicates how someone is "inclined" to vote that day. I don't know why we continue to pay for them.
As to "intelligence" all nations' "Intelligence Services" were wrong. It is all a moot point now as we are there and now we need to decide the best way to handle it no matter how p---- you are that we went to war. If you prove a point about the Genesis of this war will it really accomplish anything? No, we will still be there.
JUST,
Many folks here already know my stance on Iraq. As I have explained. I was living in DC on Sept. 11th. I lost friends in the Pentagon. Yep, I was mad, angry, and ready for revenge just like every other red blooded American. But...At that time, America was ready to make a landing strip out of the first crucible to lift it's head. Had you told us that Canada was behind it, no doubt we would have leveled it too.
The fact is, the citizens of America were mislead. Bush played upon the heated emotions of Americans. The truth was, we should have went to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Afganistan.(sp on all of those). Maybe Bush was mislead, but come on...once we regained our senses, it should have been obvious that Iraq wasn't the mastermind behind this. One of three things happened, Bush duked the country or Bush was duked himself, or we were all duked. Unfortunately, the truth of these types of matters are only revealed by the next decade of politicians.
Again, you don't know anything about "my politics", but you're learning. Iraq, yep I was originally for it! Yep, I thought we were taking their oil, Yep, I thought Mission Accomplished was Mission Accomplished. Now...we're just wasting lives, money, and time.
FriendO -
What was false? WMD was found, just not in the expected abundance.
US forces removed over 500 metric tons of depleted uranium (yellow cake) between January-April 2008 from SE Baghdad.
Open source media reports that nearly 500 50g barrels of chemical agents were removed in 2005. Of course, open source media then stated that the chem agents were too old to be effective.
Multiple intel agencies agreed that Iraq was in possession of and continuing to pursue WMD. You can say what you want, but Dims beat the war drums as loud as the Repubs.
Just,
I still discount the polls. On the contrary my friend, it was you who was so resolute about the facts and precision of the Gallup poll, and how it was a true tell-tale of what was to come. You cooked it, now eat it.
Just-
Why did you not preface your list of statements on Iraq with the disclaimer that the intelligence reports that produced those comments were false, untrue, cooked, exaggerated, hyperbole, fabricated, and/or wrong?
and why are you talking about "leads" in polls? There's this thing called 'margin of error,' you see...
Babe,
Maybe even a few single men...
Red
Yes, I agree. And there is a market for single women who don't know how to do these things for themselves.
Doc -
BO is getting the long awaited convention bounce. I can't argue with the facts. (I still find it odd that you were discounting the Gallup poll just 48 hours ago when McCain was leading. But I digress into a discussion of hypocrisy.)
Theorist wrote "Sometimes, that is very important. I mean look at our U.S. Representative. Not born, nor bred here. Actually, never lived here previously but knew the area through association. I truly think she has a hard time representing the area when she has nothing at stake.....just my opinion. Kind of like someone representing another country in the olympics even though they don't live there. Wouldn't be right...
So are you advocating that it's OK for caucasion males to not vote for someone different (i.e. a women or a black man) simply because they have a different background, they'd have a hard time associating with the white man, they don't share similar experiences, etc?
Self Service Gas Station,
As the population ages, full service stations may be more in demand. I have more and more trouble getting out and pumping my own gas the older I get. I would gladly pay more for full service.
Doc - Here's some qoutes for you on "Bush's" war. I'd like to add some philosophical thought and test, but they pretty much speak for themselves. Sorry for the long post, but a lot of Dims and Dim supporters were all for going to Iraq...
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998
"This December will mark three years since United Nations inspectors last visited Iraq. There is no doubt that since that time, Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to refine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer- range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- From a December 6, 2001 letter signed by Bob Graham, Joe Lieberman, Harold Ford, & Tom Lantos among others
"Whereas Iraq has consistently breached its cease-fire agreement between Iraq and the United States, entered into on March 3, 1991, by failing to dismantle its weapons of mass destruction program, and refusing to permit monitoring and verification by United Nations inspections; Whereas Iraq has developed weapons of mass destruction, including chemical and biological capabilities, and has made positive progress toward developing nuclear weapons capabilities" -- From a joint resolution submitted by Tom Harkin and Arlen Specter on July 18, 2002
"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998
"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998
"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement." -- Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retained some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capability. Intelligence reports also indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons, but has not yet achieved nuclear capability." -- Robert Byrd, October 2002
"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001... He is, as far as we know, actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, though he doesn't have nuclear warheads yet. If he were to acquire nuclear weapons, I think our friends in the region would face greatly increased risks as would we." -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002
"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002
"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003
"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998
"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002
"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002
"Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Bob Graham, December 2002
"Saddam Hussein is not the only deranged dictator who is willing to deprive his people in order to acquire weapons of mass destruction." -- Jim Jeffords, October 8, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002
"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed." -- Ted Kennedy, Sept 27, 2002
"I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force - if necessary - to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- John F. Kerry, Oct 2002
"The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation." -- John Kerry, October 9, 2002
"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America?s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandates of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." -- Carl Levin, Sept 19, 2002
"Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States." -- Joe Lieberman, August, 2002
"Over the years, Iraq has worked to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. During 1991 - 1994, despite Iraq's denials, U.N. inspectors discovered and dismantled a large network of nuclear facilities that Iraq was using to develop nuclear weapons. Various reports indicate that Iraq is still actively pursuing nuclear weapons capability. There is no reason to think otherwise. Beyond nuclear weapons, Iraq has actively pursued biological and chemical weapons.U.N. inspectors have said that Iraq's claims about biological weapons is neither credible nor verifiable. In 1986, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iran, and later, against its own Kurdish population. While weapons inspections have been successful in the past, there have been no inspections since the end of 1998. There can be no doubt that Iraq has continued to pursue its goal of obtaining weapons of mass destruction." -- Patty Murray, October 9, 2002
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998
"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. And that may happen sooner if he can obtain access to enriched uranium from foreign sources -- something that is not that difficult in the current world. We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Saddam?s existing biological and chemical weapons capabilities pose a very real threat to America, now. Saddam has used chemical weapons before, both against Iraq?s enemies and against his own people. He is working to develop delivery systems like missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles that could bring these deadly weapons against U.S. forces and U.S. facilities in the Middle East." -- John Rockefeller, Oct 10, 2002
"Whether one agrees or disagrees with the Administration?s policy towards Iraq, I don?t think there can be any question about Saddam?s conduct. He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do. He lies and cheats; he snubs the mandate and authority of international weapons inspectors; and he games the system to keep buying time against enforcement of the just and legitimate demands of the United Nations, the Security Council, the United States and our allies. Those are simply the facts." -- Henry Waxman, Oct 10, 2002
"However, the whole 'you weren't bred here so you don't know thing' is not a very progressive statement, Doc."
Sometimes, that is very important. I mean look at our U.S. Representative. Not born, nor bred here. Actually, never lived here previously but knew the area through association. I truly think she has a hard time representing the area when she has nothing at stake.....just my opinion. Kind of like someone representing another country in the olympics even though they don't live there. Wouldn't be right...
Just,
Here's your coveted gallup poll news! LOL
Headline: Gallup Daily: Obama Moves Ahead, 48% to 42%
Source: http://www.gallup.com/...
Just, I appreciate this. Without your vast knowledge, I would have NEVER of thought to use the old gallup poll against you every day Until November! LOL This is going to be sooo much fun.
Woo hoo! That's a 4% jump just since last night!
SWBG
I disagree with your comments on self service gas stations. There is a great market value on personal services now but Cape seems to be stalled with building new hotels and restaurants.
"Mission Accomplished" ~ Bush
"In the 21st century nations don't invade other nations." ~ McCain
"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated." ~ McCain
"The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should. I've got Greenspan's book."~ McCain
Doc - What, they banned farm animals so you've no goat anymore? Seriously, I agree that community standards change due to outsider introduction into the gene pool. You know, like when folks with different skin colors and religions moved to town. It's never been the same now that we have all those kinds around. That's why BO won't be a good Prez - because he's different. Right on, Doc.
Hope you caught the sarcasm ...
ohh...and considering it was an "outsider" that passed a law to ban farm animals in the City limits, I think have grounds to stand on.
Some of my favorite one-liners:
- I did not have sex with that woman! ... BC
- Depends on the meaning of 'and' ... BC
- We will end this war [in Iraq] ... Nancy Pelosi in 2006
- Th